I'm going to post the 4-5 of Koryu dai Ichi again. Its one of those throw away moves that doesn't "apply" to anything. Its a heaven and earth throw. It's on "I gotcha" hands down timing.
What I see in the Koryu kata after 4-5, is projection that has veered off center and been "pressed" down. Once your arm is being pressed down in a low(grab my hand because now its easy to grab and control) position, the rest of the kata makes sense in a non-hand grabbing sense. Especially with all the hand positions starting high in a mutual confrontation and then for no reason we are getting grabbed while walking down the sidewalk in our hakamas and carrying a bag of chicken mcnuggets and someone is trying to grab them.
check it out from #2 in ICHI
Imagine the guy pressing down and your arm and his wind up in this kind of strange little seen before entanglement.
This next one can be a press down with elbow control.
Anyway, Try to think outside the cottonballs and footfalls kuzushi models, and think about headshot/nutshot kuzushi and you can see a lot more in these koryu katas. Hand grabbing absent atemi relies pretty heavy on the cottonballs and footfalls approach. We do the cottonballs and footfalls because its practical, verifiable and repeatable . You can't go up to your uke and say, " let me stick my knuckle in your eyeball and see if I can get a #6..." but we have to look at things from the angle of the guy who wants to hit us, and why our hands are low and extended (how did they get there?) try not to be a member of the Band of the Hand....
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